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Drunk Judges Start Fight, Get Shot at White Castle



Three upstanding Indiana judges partied a bit too hard before their continuing-education seminar and found themselves in a drunken brawl in a White Castle parking lot. Two of the judges were shot and will recover. All three have been suspended.

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Dave Marx
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Dave Marx

Reading about this was nuts. But it reinforced a belief/idea

Judges are people
Sometimes people are idiots
Sometimes judges are idiots

Able Baker
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Able Baker

Oh come on, guys… Even Harold and Kumar managed to make it to White Castle without getting shot.

paulvcope
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paulvcope

As a Hoosier, and a resident of Indianapolis, this has been one of the most fun stories I've watched over the last year.

Gary Cooper
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Gary Cooper

I find this story extremely amusing. My late father-in-law was an administrative judge and was very active in organizing continuing education for judges. As far as I know, he never got up to this kind of shenanigans, but I’m sure he knew judges who did. Let’s see, these three judges were carousing in the street at 3 a.m. while on a work trip. Two of them had blood alcohol levels 2 to 3 times enough to make them legally drunk. The other one’s blood alcohol was not measured, but she had consumed enough alcohol that later she had no memory… Read more »

skylx08
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skylx08

"In Mother Russia you no shoot judge, judge shoot you…"

"Oh wait. ….oopskie."

dogsrulenw08
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dogsrulenw08

Ha, yes Indiana. Of course this happens in my home state.

George D
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George D

I admire your restrained amusement.

John Cokos
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John Cokos

What's with the two active shooters ? Do they just disappear ? Were they street thugs, or worse off duty cops….Like the man said, AND THE REST OF THE STORY ….?

MrRagequitnow
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MrRagequitnow

I would be pissed, if I had to stay in the county lock up longer because the judge for my court got suspended. I mean do they have back up judges? I spent 13 months in county going through a state trial in Ohio. I would be steaming mad if I had to stay a couple extra months because the judge got arrested. I wonder if there is some legal remedy for people effected by the court's delay of release because of an issue like this. Especially if you were innocent. I.E. Picked up off the the street for matching… Read more »

Mitchell Anderson
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Mitchell Anderson

I…think some of the judges MIGHT have to take honorable off their title…

Anthony Monaghan
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Anthony Monaghan

so what point is there in getting drunk if you can not remember what you did or said …. this is just one reason i have little respect for drunks

Dan Powell
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Dan Powell

I really, really, want to see the surveillance video of that.

Andrew Gray
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Andrew Gray

There's a lot of talk about what the founding fathers would have thought when the foundations of US law were laid down. This is why, for example, the constitution doesn't define "due process" — it assumes that everyone understands what due process is, and the founders didn't feel it was necessary to include a definition. So for that reason, I believe it's reasonable to read into the rules of judicial conduct an implicit "3:00 am at White Castle" exception. It's pretty obvious. I'm pretty sure Ben Franklin and John Adams had a few games of shoulder-punching "chicken" that got out… Read more »

Tom Branen
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Tom Branen

The two male Judges should have walked away leaving feisty Judge Bell to deal with the two male strangers. Don't put your life or career on the line because someone is female.

Crimson Halo
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Crimson Halo

"AND MY DOG HAS SLOBBERED ALL OVER MY DESK."
That's a writ of habeas bork-borkus.

1.21 JJWatts
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1.21 JJWatts

It just goes to show you, nothing good ever happens at White Castle, especially at 3 AM.

David Burroughs
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David Burroughs

The take away on this is, don't pick a fight you do not want to lose. First, the judges were involved in starting the incident and then failed to step out of it once it went south. The other party's escalated (potentially) until they, or one of them, shot two of the three judges. The judges should hope that state hasn't a stand your ground statute.

Rational Bushcraft
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Rational Bushcraft

Look it is not a conference until you have a 2 plus BAC and someone gets shot.

Jonathan Tabor
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Jonathan Tabor

Ok.. What happened to Kaiser's and Vasquez's case? Did Vasquez plea down to misdemeanor? I doubt Kaiser will be able to he did shoot two people. And yea he can't claim self defense there. Will Vasquez get only 2 days in jail? I'd be interested in finding that out.

Theodore Lehman
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Theodore Lehman

8:05 "I like to get drunk and start fights, but I never realized that might go badly in some way."
That juggalo I worked with in Verizon's call center? Oh, no, that's a judge.

ropersonline
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ropersonline

On 8:22: It is my personal opinion that Judge Bell's pants are on fire.

zkummer2359
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zkummer2359

'Gravely undermined public trust in the dignity and decency of Indiana's judiciary." That sounds like a perfect description of going to a white castle. I don't think they should be punished for being drunk, nor for words (or at least being shot was already far too much punishment). But going to a white castle…that tells me they have terrible judgement, which is a big problem for a judge.

vawlkus
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vawlkus

Hmmm…… not sure I completely agree with this sentence. As I read this situation (and I fully admit we don't have all the details here), the two civs drove by, shouted something at the judges, which caused one of the judges to 'flip the bird' in reply. The civs parked, and started getting in the judges faces, and it all went to hell after that.I agree that there wasn't enough done to by the judges to extricate themselves from the situation, but it doesn't appear to me that they caused the situation. Generally speaking, you don't flip the bird to… Read more »

Dale Zapple
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Dale Zapple

Judges were stupid for f*cking with dudes in public. Unless your heavily armed and trained and willing to stop the threat

Dale Zapple
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Dale Zapple

Hopefully the arseholes that used the weapons got many years in prison

vassilis1982
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vassilis1982

I don't know if I even spell it correctly. Whats a " c l e" that the judges missed?

Smilz
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Smilz

I feel like you keep completely overlooking that in the earlier part of the document the last part of the altercation was that one of the judges KICKED the guy IN THE BACK and that the court also presumably wrote the events in order and has seen the video from the parking lot. I would assume that being smashed at 3am in a parking lot even if the judges knew some sort of martial arts they probably weren't in any state to be doing high kicks. I would assume ,then, from those facts that the guy who shot the judges… Read more »

Dirus
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Dirus

Talk about a click bate title. Damned if it didn't work.

Anne Davis
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Anne Davis

You said you hope Judge Bell "feels bad" that she wasn't shot, despite having been the person who gave the finger. I suggest that use of the middle finger is NOT a crime worthy of being shot. The way this escalated is unacceptable, but the people lucky enough to not have been shot shouldn't be experiencing survivor's guilt for not also being attacked. Meanwhile, it very much sounds like Kaiser and Vasquez were the instigators for this entire scenario. She responded to something THEY shouted at her group of people, THEY pulled over, THEY exited the vehicle, THEY shot the… Read more »