Halfway: Was a Japanese Invasion Doable?

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Assuming that the Japanese would have received the Battle of Halfway (1942), would the invasion pressure have been capable of seize the Halfway island? »» SUPPORT MHV «« » patreon – https://www.patreon….

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Shamefur
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Shamefur

Hey! Could you maybe tell if it would've been possible for Japan to avoid early conflict with the western powers, by exploiting more german victories in Europe (as french indochina) by demanding the oil-ritch dutch indies? I know they were a government in exile, but as an occupying force, maybe it was something for germans to give?

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Omega Alpha

Amphibious landings on Midway would be besides the point. Midway was planned as a naval trap for both sides. Japanese planned to lure the americans by invading the islands, while their carriers and battleships would attack the unsupported US carriers because the main battlegroup would go after the landing force. However, US intercepted the message and laid a trap of their own. With this and a bit of luck they annihilated the Jap force. In terms of actions, the Japanese plan was the reverse of what actually happened during the battle of Samaar.(hope I didn't get that wrong and get… Read more »

Mark12 Strang
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Mark12 Strang

How many soldiers were stationed at Midway and how many weapons did they have?

GC
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GC

The big factor you neglect is that the morale of the American troops would have been rubbish by the time of the Japanese landing. Hearing that all your big carriers in the Pacific had just been sunk, and with nearly every battle ending in a US defeat up until that time, I believe the marines commanders would have felt doomed. They had next to no airforce, bleak options to be resupplied…remember all those marines that had been crammed onto the Atoll need to eat and drink and you see a long bleak siege as your best option, all the while… Read more »

CG Account
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CG Account

Interesting! My impression from documentaries and movies is midway was just a beach defended with some aa guns and an old runway. An easy target. I suppose it might have been easy on Dec 7th 1941 though?

Clancy Long
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Clancy Long

Ok the Japanese may have failed in a direct assault, but, if the Japanese won the air and naval engagements of Midway then the Americans would be retreating quick smart and then the defenders on the ground at Midway could be cut off and forced to surrender. … invasion success INEVITABLE!

katfrog98
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katfrog98

Compare and contrast Wake Island and Midway Island. Without starving the Marines, I concur that the Island would've held out.

andiplatt
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andiplatt

Why are there so many comments on how easy it would have been to take the island and how biased the video is.
Have all these weeaboos actually seen the video? Great video btw

Rian Porter
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Rian Porter

Hello MHV! I have just heard of the collaborative project for world war 2 that is being put together by The Great War, if you aren't already a part of it is there any chance you could become part of it? i think your style of content would be perfect for the project. Thanks

bry7x7x7
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bry7x7x7

People think too much that the invasion of Midway will go like Wake Island

David Hanson
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David Hanson

This is an interesting topic as I had not given it a lot of thought before. A bit of a critic is that your "visualization" part of this video was not of your normal caliber. It did not provide any support or helpful graphics. It was more of a wrap session than a good analysis. Things that would have helped would have been a breakdown of the actual attacking and defending forces. Saying they are roughly equal is not indicative of their combat effectiveness. You did highlight that amphibious operations are not easy and need coordination which take time to… Read more »

Daniel Barry
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Daniel Barry

Yamamato was leading the operation from the Yamato? They would of had battleships available for bombardment

Bob1942ful
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Bob1942ful

Damn you guys cost me a lot of money. Now I am going to have to buy Shattered Sword. Great video, great information. I had always believed that the if the USN had lost the Naval part of the Battle of Midway that Midway would have been lost like Wake Island. Then most of what I have read has concentrated solely on the Naval battle.

Yikes Yikesson
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Yikes Yikesson

Hope you get well soon man 🙂

DataWaveTaGo
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DataWaveTaGo

Too much repetition. Not as coherent and forward marching as your many other great expositions. Do a reboot.

LawL
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LawL

I'm engaged in a rather interesting discussion and many things have been brought up that have made me curious about the potential for information that's solely presented in German and beyond my ability to access. One of the chief issues involved lesser quality forces in the Second World War, particularly on the German side, though perhaps others are just as relevant for cross referencing to determine combat efficacy of such varying grades of troops. Ranging from the Wehrmacht's own divisions in various states of sub-optimal conditions and to what extent their supplies, operational vehicles and heavy equipment, etc, played a… Read more »

elison19120
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elison19120

I'd the Japanese won the naval battle of Midway they could have succeeded in invaded Midway Island because they would have air superior. Plus the Japanese also cruiser and destroyers to shell the beaches.

Tomáš Bouzek
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Tomáš Bouzek

Yamato and other battleships is not enough firepower? It would reinforce attack in emergency.

Tomáš Bouzek
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Tomáš Bouzek

Navy attacked airport, so thats why only 6 KIA during attack.

Tomáš Bouzek
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Tomáš Bouzek

Ambhibious landing is one of the EASIEST military operation when you have proper sources! Not many such operations ever failed, even facing overwhelming odds. So, Japs would most probably defeat US troops no matter what, not talking about great courage and naval guns support.

Charles McCarron
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Charles McCarron

According to Wikipedia, an incomplete OB of the land forces are as follows 1x USMC CD Battalion of less that 800 Marines in an infantry role and 2 x Companies of a USMC Raider Battalion of 180-200 Marines each. That's 1500-1600 Marines maximum, most with bolt action rifles up against 5,000 IJN Naval Infantry including at least one Regiment of SNLF assault infantry. Additional Americans on the island would have been support personnel for the airplanes based on the island. Of dubious value in a land battle. There were CD guns in the CD Battalion of 3 or 5 inch… Read more »

Jacob R
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Jacob R

Thank you for another insightful presentation. Looking forward to an exploration of Leyte Gulf!

Brian Free
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Brian Free

If they had won the battle, they could have starved them out. We still won Tarawa. The problem would have been holding the island defending against air attacks. Not a great place for radar…flat.

Joisey
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Joisey

The discussion ignored the fact that had the Japanese won the Battle of Midway, the Japanese had a battleship fleet to bombard Midway into oblivion, and the Japanese would have also had Air Superiority, which would have been another form of artillery.

Vayle
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Vayle

I am personally not convinced the Americans would've necessarily won. losing aerial and naval supremacy on the island would be a big blow to the moral of the defending troops, and I don't know how well these bunkers would protect against armour piercing bombs and shells that could be fired from the Japanese battleships.The Japanese were aware of the defenses of Midway as they did two attempts at shelling the island, once by the use of two destroyers and once with a submarine, and Yamamoto was one of the most competent Admirals the Japanese had.Also I think when it comes… Read more »

christosvoskresye
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christosvoskresye

The ending was a bit abrupt.

Charles McCarron
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Charles McCarron

WHAT was the US OB on Midway in June of 1942?

Luke Freet
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Luke Freet

If the Japanese won the Naval engagement, whilst the amphibious assualt would be disastorous if conducted immediately afterwards, the Japanese would have been able to besiege the island, denying U.S. air reinforcements and supplies from reaching the island, thus starving the defenders. If the 3 U.S. carriers in the battle were all either sunk or badly damaged, the Japanese would have plenty of time and resources to do this.

pri vat
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pri vat

But if a japanese conquest of the Midway Islands was impossible, then why did they send their mobile fleet on such a risky mission? They must have had some knowledge about the defenses on midway, and they certainly knew the limitations of their own amphibious capabilities.

Andras Libal
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Andras Libal

Did the Japanese not know this about themselves at the time? If there was no way to take Midway – would the Japanese not have done better to seek defensive engagements protecting their side of the Ocean with fortified islands, and under the umbrella of land-based aircraft/recon rather than a far-out attack at Midway? With the force spent at Midway redirected to Guadalcanal could they have not gained better results?